It seems that the Williams positions may be at risk. I'm not sure about the social position, but the cognitive spot was advertised last year and was not filled. Any idea whether the news re: economic uncertainty won't be an issue for the cog spot-- there may be already dedicated money for the position since it was posted last year?
October 24, 2008 Hiring Freezes and Career Realignment
We’re hearing a lot lately about hiring freezes in academe, especially at public colleges and universities. A “soft” freeze means the institution is still able to fill some positions in critical areas, while a “hard” freeze means it has stopped hiring at all.
The large number of freezes is going to have some interesting effects on the market this year and in future years. And while there is no disputing the tremendous negative impact those freezes will have on candidates, it’s also true that some institutions — small, remote, teaching-oriented campuses like my own — are still hiring vigorously, because when we have retirements or resignations it is often not possible for us to do without the faculty position or rely on local adjunct labor.
What I suspect will happen is that at least some candidates who would otherwise be unlikely to consider institutions like mine are going to think much more seriously about applying this year. Those new hires are going to face major existential adjustments as they work at less-prestigious and less-research-oriented institutions, and in less than desireable locations, than where they were trained. Those new faculty members will struggle to adjust, and their new institutions will struggle to adjust to them.
The good news — as many of my small-college colleagues know — is that faculty members can have wonderful, rewarding, productive careers at such places. But the horizons of prestige and notoriety are far from here, and since those are the currency of academe, many people will need to rethink how they define professional success.
Does anyone know if search committees within a department share applicants? If my research fit the descriptions of development, cognitive and social psychology searches, should I send a single application addressed to multiple search committees, or should I send multiple separate applications?
A university had an opening for cognitive and development. Well, I do both since my degree is Lifespan Cognition and Development. I've been told (who knows if this is right) that you should only choose 1...so I picked development. A week after I sent my application in, the university emailed me and asked me if I wanted to be considered for both.
So in my experience - they share. However, you could always put on your cover letter that you'd like to be considered for both and see what they say.
In my limited experience as an applicant, this time lag has ranged from two weeks (this was for a phone interview) to two months (this was for a campus interview, without a prior phone interview). So try not to stress, it can be a very slow process.
As a search committee chair in a large department, I recommend sending separate applications to each position, noting in your cover letter that you are doing so. Otherwise you risk being overlooked because your file is in the wrong location at the wrong time (i.e., in the job X pile when committee Y reviews their applications). Things might be different in small departments, of course.
Somewhat off the wall question - but does anyone know where the ASU West cognitive psych position was origninally posted? I would not have found it if it was not posted here and have been searching the usual suspects.
It seems like things are starting to come faster now - so hang tight. It's tough, I know. I've heard of people not getting contacted until January - so it's still technically early in the process.
nothing official yet! i'm torn b/c it seems like lots of interviews have already started and i'm getting worried... but at the same time, i almost want the process to take awhile.
i'm simultaneously applying for post-docs and i'm worried i'll be forced to decide about a job without knowing the post-doc outcome. anyone else in a similar position?
Hi just wondering if anyone else in counseling psychology is checking this site. I've listed several positions in counseling psych PhD programs on the wiki but there havent been updates.
Does anyone have thoughts or knowledge about applying to positions that are adverising for open rank? As someone who is looking for my first assistant professor job it feels a little hopeless to apply to a position where I would be competeing against an assoiciate professor w/ so muchh more experience.
As a junior person, I have been burned by this before, but I keep applying to the open rank jobs. In two cases I have interviewed for an open rank job and they have chosen to hire senior people. Can't blame them. I just got back from an interview at another such school, and feel fairly optimistic, but have no idea who else they are considering.
In the current economic market, new assistants might have an advantage over associates and fulls. Specifically, if a school is looking at a quality assistant that they can pay 60K per year or a quality full that they will pay 100K per year, the temptation may be there to go with the former. Thus, I would recommend that new PhDs apply for open-rank positions.
I would always reccomend applying for any job that is open, but my experience with "open rank" is that they already know the person they are hiring. They are trying to recruit a big name professor and the search is a fake. That said, that big name professor is likely to turn the job down and they are still going to want to fill the job...
This happened to me last year. I have to say that, even in this economic climate, it would be difficult to hire an early assistant professor rather than an associate professor. BUT this is particularly true when the associate prof candidate pool comes with a grant. I am in Behavioral Neuroscience and this really becomes the difference...schools need the money and anyone that can bring it (more often advanced versus early career applicants) is going to have a huge advantage.
Very good point about the disadvantage PhDs likely experience in comparison to associates. That being said, I am ABD and recently received an offer from an "open-rank" search, so it does happen, but is certianly tougher than pure assistant-level searches. Further, I also know if situations where more advanced candidates were out competed by ABDs. Thus, it might be worth the 30 minutes and $3.00 it takes to apply to an open-rank position...just don't get your hopes up too high :)
For the third time in 12 months, I have interviewed for an open rank position at an R1 university, only to find that they offered it to a more senior candidate. Frustrating, but I will keep applying for them in the event that one of these senior candidates eventually decides not to move. I also have met great people on these interviews, so it is not a total waste.
for the multicultural position i believe that interviews are completed and candidates have been ranked. however, the hiring pause is still in effect, so they are waiting for that to be resolved before making an offer. i don't know anything about the other positions.
Since the job market is so full of hiring freezes and canceled positions this year, I'm considering (and have actually already started) looking for and applying to post-docs. Does anyone have good sites with post-doc listings? I've been looking on postdocs.com and on psyjobs, but am not sure whether there are sites I am missing. Thanks!!
Most of them run about the same schedule as the job search does. I would sign up via APPIC for the post-doc list serve - many jobs are sent out on there and you can send out an email stating you are looking for one. Also, consider looking contacting universities in your area as they might have one that is not listed. I know many of the research post-docs, if that is the type you are looking for, rarely get posted any place official and tend to go via word of mouth.
I recommend contacting people whom you're interested in working with as a postdoc. They may not be advertising for one but could still be receptive to the idea. That's how I got my postdoc.
I second the reccomendation to contact people you are interested in working with (even if they haven't posted a job listing). Even better if your grad advisor can point you toward a potential postdoc mentor. Most of the postdocs I know were unadvertised positions.
Other than that, I know that science jobs has some postdoc listings.
Summer salary is typicaly calculated as 3 additional months at your typical per-month rate (or 2 additional months if yours is a 10 month appointment).
That being said, some schools will provide you with summer funding for your first two years, but it isn't always equivalent to 3 months (e.g., it could be 1.5 months).
On a somewhat related note, make sure to ask what the appointment is of the RA(s) you'll recieve. If it's only 9-months, you might be able to get summer funding for them (which is obviously good for you too) via startup or standard negotiations.
The first job of the 09-10 year has been posted (Boise state, deadline in october). Is there an 09-10 job search page that I can add this position to? (I know it's ridiculously early, however: neither time nor tenure waits.
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anyone else obsessed with hiring freeze news?
It seems that the Williams positions may be at risk. I'm not sure about the social position, but the cognitive spot was advertised last year and was not filled. Any idea whether the news re: economic uncertainty won't be an issue for the cog spot-- there may be already dedicated money for the position since it was posted last year?
The positions are still alive according to the williams website:
http://www.williams.edu/admin/deanfac/positions/
Schools are still posting jobs!!!
They seem to be cautious in posting plans for hiring freezes.
From the Chronicle of Higher Education
10.24.08
October 24, 2008
Hiring Freezes and Career Realignment
We’re hearing a lot lately about hiring freezes in academe, especially at public colleges and universities. A “soft” freeze means the institution is still able to fill some positions in critical areas, while a “hard” freeze means it has stopped hiring at all.
The large number of freezes is going to have some interesting effects on the market this year and in future years. And while there is no disputing the tremendous negative impact those freezes will have on candidates, it’s also true that some institutions — small, remote, teaching-oriented campuses like my own — are still hiring vigorously, because when we have retirements or resignations it is often not possible for us to do without the faculty position or rely on local adjunct labor.
What I suspect will happen is that at least some candidates who would otherwise be unlikely to consider institutions like mine are going to think much more seriously about applying this year. Those new hires are going to face major existential adjustments as they work at less-prestigious and less-research-oriented institutions, and in less than desireable locations, than where they were trained. Those new faculty members will struggle to adjust, and their new institutions will struggle to adjust to them.
The good news — as many of my small-college colleagues know — is that faculty members can have wonderful, rewarding, productive careers at such places. But the horizons of prestige and notoriety are far from here, and since those are the currency of academe, many people will need to rethink how they define professional success.
Does anyone know if search committees within a department share applicants? If my research fit the descriptions of development, cognitive and social psychology searches, should I send a single application addressed to multiple search committees, or should I send multiple separate applications?
Not sure, but I sent applications to a clinical health position and a general clinical position within the same department just to be safe.
RE: Sharing...
A university had an opening for cognitive and development. Well, I do both since my degree is Lifespan Cognition and Development. I've been told (who knows if this is right) that you should only choose 1...so I picked development. A week after I sent my application in, the university emailed me and asked me if I wanted to be considered for both.
So in my experience - they share. However, you could always put on your cover letter that you'd like to be considered for both and see what they say.
Anyone know how long it typically takes a school to contact people after their deadlines?
RE: Time between app deadline and initial contact
In my limited experience as an applicant, this time lag has ranged from two weeks (this was for a phone interview) to two months (this was for a campus interview, without a prior phone interview). So try not to stress, it can be a very slow process.
re: applying to multiple jobs at the same school.
As a search committee chair in a large department, I recommend sending separate applications to each position, noting in your cover letter that you are doing so. Otherwise you risk being overlooked because your file is in the wrong location at the wrong time (i.e., in the job X pile when committee Y reviews their applications). Things might be different in small departments, of course.
Somewhat off the wall question - but does anyone know where the ASU West cognitive psych position was origninally posted? I would not have found it if it was not posted here and have been searching the usual suspects.
Anyone else not had any interview or offers for just yet?
It seems like things are starting to come faster now - so hang tight. It's tough, I know. I've heard of people not getting contacted until January - so it's still technically early in the process.
nothing official yet! i'm torn b/c it seems like lots of interviews have already started and i'm getting worried... but at the same time, i almost want the process to take awhile.
i'm simultaneously applying for post-docs and i'm worried i'll be forced to decide about a job without knowing the post-doc outcome. anyone else in a similar position?
Re: Sharing
Thanks for the comments. I've contacted the dept about applying to 2 positions, but I also found out that most of them do share!
Hi just wondering if anyone else in counseling psychology is checking this site. I've listed several positions in counseling psych PhD programs on the wiki but there havent been updates.
I'm applying to some counseling psych positions, but have not heard anything yet.
Does anyone have thoughts or knowledge about applying to positions that are adverising for open rank? As someone who is looking for my first assistant professor job it feels a little hopeless to apply to a position where I would be competeing against an assoiciate professor w/ so muchh more experience.
As a junior person, I have been burned by this before, but I keep applying to the open rank jobs. In two cases I have interviewed for an open rank job and they have chosen to hire senior people. Can't blame them. I just got back from an interview at another such school, and feel fairly optimistic, but have no idea who else they are considering.
In the current economic market, new assistants might have an advantage over associates and fulls. Specifically, if a school is looking at a quality assistant that they can pay 60K per year or a quality full that they will pay 100K per year, the temptation may be there to go with the former. Thus, I would recommend that new PhDs apply for open-rank positions.
I would always reccomend applying for any job that is open, but my experience with "open rank" is that they already know the person they are hiring. They are trying to recruit a big name professor and the search is a fake. That said, that big name professor is likely to turn the job down and they are still going to want to fill the job...
This happened to me last year. I have to say that, even in this economic climate, it would be difficult to hire an early assistant professor rather than an associate professor. BUT this is particularly true when the associate prof candidate pool comes with a grant. I am in Behavioral Neuroscience and this really becomes the difference...schools need the money and anyone that can bring it (more often advanced versus early career applicants) is going to have a huge advantage.
Very good point about the disadvantage PhDs likely experience in comparison to associates. That being said, I am ABD and recently received an offer from an "open-rank" search, so it does happen, but is certianly tougher than pure assistant-level searches. Further, I also know if situations where more advanced candidates were out competed by ABDs. Thus, it might be worth the 30 minutes and $3.00 it takes to apply to an open-rank position...just don't get your hopes up too high :)
Fordham canceled all psych searches but it's cog psych search :(
For the third time in 12 months, I have interviewed for an open rank position at an R1 university, only to find that they offered it to a more senior candidate. Frustrating, but I will keep applying for them in the event that one of these senior candidates eventually decides not to move. I also have met great people on these interviews, so it is not a total waste.
Anyone know the status of the any of the jobs in Minnesota?
I heard from two sources that the job search in Minnesota (Clinical) was being postponed.
Anyone know about the status of the Mount Union College search?
re: minnesota
for the multicultural position i believe that interviews are completed and candidates have been ranked. however, the hiring pause is still in effect, so they are waiting for that to be resolved before making an offer. i don't know anything about the other positions.
Since the job market is so full of hiring freezes and canceled positions this year, I'm considering (and have actually already started) looking for and applying to post-docs. Does anyone have good sites with post-doc listings? I've been looking on postdocs.com and on psyjobs, but am not sure whether there are sites I am missing. Thanks!!
re: postdocs, what area of psychology are you in?
re: postdocs
My area is health psychology.
I think most post-docs are listed after the job searches are winding down.
Re: post-docs
Most of them run about the same schedule as the job search does. I would sign up via APPIC for the post-doc list serve - many jobs are sent out on there and you can send out an email stating you are looking for one. Also, consider looking contacting universities in your area as they might have one that is not listed. I know many of the research post-docs, if that is the type you are looking for, rarely get posted any place official and tend to go via word of mouth.
Re: postdocs
I recommend contacting people whom you're interested in working with as a postdoc. They may not be advertising for one but could still be receptive to the idea. That's how I got my postdoc.
re: postdocs
I second the reccomendation to contact people you are interested in working with (even if they haven't posted a job listing). Even better if your grad advisor can point you toward a potential postdoc mentor. Most of the postdocs I know were unadvertised positions.
Other than that, I know that science jobs has some postdoc listings.
Can anyone give me information on how I should calculate "summer salary" when I am negotiating?
Summer salary is typicaly calculated as 3 additional months at your typical per-month rate (or 2 additional months if yours is a 10 month appointment).
That being said, some schools will provide you with summer funding for your first two years, but it isn't always equivalent to 3 months (e.g., it could be 1.5 months).
On a somewhat related note, make sure to ask what the appointment is of the RA(s) you'll recieve. If it's only 9-months, you might be able to get summer funding for them (which is obviously good for you too) via startup or standard negotiations.
Has anyone heard an update on Augsburg? Cannot get a clear answer thanks
Does anyone know about Princeton Cognitive?
Princeton cognitive: Job talks are in progress. Last one is in the middle of february.
does anyone hear about Dartmouth cognitive job? is job talk scheduled?
RE: Princeton cognitive: Job talks are in progress. Last one is in the middle of february.
Correction: job talks are now complete
This NY Times article ought to offer some perspective on this year's search:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/arts/07grad.html?em
Does anyone have an update on the search at UNC Chapel Hill (a cancer researcher in psychology or sociology)?
The first job of the 09-10 year has been posted (Boise state, deadline in october). Is there an 09-10 job search page that I can add this position to? (I know it's ridiculously early, however: neither time nor tenure waits.
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